Category: Goings-on

BSDNow 096: Lost Technology


BSDNow 096 has the usual new links, even more BSDCan 2015 video links, and an interview with Jun Ebihara about some of NetBSD’s lesser-known architectures.

(I like trying to guess the interview subject from each week’s obscure title; I was going to guess RetroBSD…  which would make a good topic to explore.)

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DragonFly 4.2.1 out


There’s a minor update for DragonFly 4.2 – this covers a problem with i915 support, so it’s worth upgrading if you have an Intel video chipset.

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DragonFly 4.2.0 released


DragonFly 4.2 is officially released!  You can go to the 4.2 release page for details, go to the mirrors page to download, or read my users@ post for upgrade steps.

Update: news stories and commentary seen on lobste.rs, Hacker News, and linux.fr.

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IPFW3 and NAT


If you wanted to try IPFW3 and NAT, nans_nans1 has done the experimentation for you, and wrote down the steps.

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DragonFly 4.0.6 image up


I’ve uploaded DragonFly 4.0.6 ISO and .img files.  (Does that capitalization make sense?)  They should be available at your nearest mirror, or will be shortly. I am still working on the 4.2 release candidate images.

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BSDNow 093: Stacked in Our Favor


This week’s BSDNow has a talk with DragonFly’s very own Sepherosa Ziehau, about the huge amount of work he’s done on the network stack.

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Video memory defaults changed


The direct memory access reservation on DragonFly has been set to 128M.  It used to be 16, but anyone using a system for more than a text console would want the greater memory reservation.  It can be set back to 16M, which is useful probably if you are one of those text console users, or if you have a strangely underpowered video card.

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Accelerated video users, please try this


If you are using a DragonFly system with accelerated video, and you have noticed that you can’t return to a text console after exiting xorg – Sascha Wildner/Imre Vadasz have a branch for you to try.  Please do so if you have time and are on master; this is the last big item to fix before the next release.

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NYCBUG tonight: John Baldwin and NUMA


That’s Non Uniform Memory Architecture, and John Baldwin is talking about how it works on FreeBSD, tonight/now, in New York City for NYCBUG.  There’s several more events this month with NYCBUG, so look at the announcement for tonight’s location and more dates.

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Recent dragonfly-master users: update


If you were running a version of DragonFly 4.1 (i.e. the master version, not release) built between the 20th and 25th, rebuild.  There’s a UFS bug introduced in that short timeframe.

If you are running 4.0.x release or built your version of DragonFly-master outside of that date range – you are unaffected.

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A leaf falls, briefly


leaf.dragonflybsd.org, where the DragonFly website is hosted, is temporarily down while a disk is replaced.  Images and binary packages are still available.

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DragonFly server and desktop


Jesse Wattenbarger wrote in with his success story of switching to DragonFly, both for server and desktop.  Of note is his noticeable speedup with swapcache.

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More Intel video testing


If you’re running DragonFly-master and you have an Intel video chipset, Francois Tigeot has an update for you.  It brings accelerated Intel video up to match the Linux 3.14 version, adds Broadwell chipset support, and should generally improve performance.  He lists how to test right in the message.

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GCC 5 released, switched


DragonFly now has GCC 5.1 release.  If you are running DragonFly master (i.e. 4.1), you’ll probably want to both rebuild world and kernel, and update your packages so they all match.  There’s already packages built with GCC 5.1, so binary package upgrades can happen quickly.  There’s GCC 4.7 packages still available if you aren’t making the jump yet.

If you’re on DragonFly 4.0.x – nothing’s changed.

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Extra reading on page coloring


Here’s some comments from Matthew Dillon on page coloring in DragonFly; a topic that comes up every year for some reason.

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GCC 5.1 release candidate added


The release candidate for GCC5 (5.1.0) is out, and it’s in DragonFly too.  It’s not yet switched over to run as the default – that’ll require the release.

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Changing to gcc 5.0


The default compiler in DragonFly is going to change over from GCC 4.7 to GCC 5.x very soon, to match the GCC 5.1 release.  This means that packages built for DragonFly-master won’t be compatible with the old ones.  You will need to reinstall packages when you next ‘pkg install’.  John Marino has an extensive writeup detailing what’s needed, and the actual change is some days off.

If you are using DragonFly 4.0.x (the release), this doesn’t affect you at all.

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Periodic reports on DragonFly


I have had trouble with my daily/weekly periodic reports never making it to my GMail account.  Sascha Wildner pointed out to me that periodic.conf has its own answer already:

daily_output=”/var/log/daily.log”
daily_status_security_output=”/var/log/security.log”
weekly_output=”/var/log/weekly.log”
monthly_output=”/var/log/monthly.log”

… and newsyslog is already set to take care of them.  There’s more in the periodic.conf man page.

 

DragonFly on Vultr


There’s been some linking to the updated HAMMER2 design document.  The Reddit link doesn’t have anything specific, but the Hacker News one has some details (including a credit code!) for installing DragonFly on a Vultr VPS.

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Mars time, too


Noticed in the most recent time zone data update for DragonFly: some people keep Mars time.

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Lazy Reading for 2015/04/05


Happy Easter!  It means chocolate for me.

Your unrelated comics link of the week: Jason Shiga’s comics.  It’s an article about the comics, not the comics themselves, so go to his site next.  (via)

Also unrelated: tea is one of the topics I link here, and alert reader Jeff Ramnani pointed out Strand Tea as a good source.  I also saw Deep Mills referenced in the UK.  Anyone else have a favorite online vendor?

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BSDNow 083: woN DSB


This week’s BSDNow has the usual roundup of news, including some… suspicious items, plus an interview of Kamila Soucková about conferences and Google Summer of Code.  They note this Hammer2 proposal.

New wireless documentation


John Marino’s written an extensive page about wireless and DragonFly, on dragonflybsd.org.

Keymap details


If you’re looking to change your DragonFly system’s keymapping to support a non-US character set, use this users@ post from Adolf Augustin as a cheat sheet to make all the right changes.

Clustering and copies in HAMMER2


Matthew Dillon answered some mailing list questions on how clustering and data copies will work in HAMMER2 – no due date, of course, because this is very complex.  If you’re really into it, there’s always watching the recent commits.

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New locking and synchronization docs


Matthew Dillon has rewritten the Locking and Synchronization documentation for DragonFly.  Keep this in mind the next time you say “Which lock should I use for this new software/ported software?”  There’s also locking(9).

A PHP upgrade note


The other day, I updated some packages using pkg.  The default version of PHP went from 5.4 to 5.6.  I ended up doing what /usr/dports/UPGRADING says and making a list of all PHP packages on my system, before removing PHP and its dependencies.  I then reinstalled the packages that used PHP, bringing the needed packages back in at the right version.  pkg 1.4 didn’t handle the transition cleanly, unfortunately.  I also had to specify mod_php56 because pkg was trying to get the 5.4 version despite it not being default.

None of these are insurmountable problems, but it never hurts to be forewarned.  pkg 1.5 is on the horizon and may have an easier time with sorting these types of dependency/version changes.  This may apply to FreeBSD in addition to DragonFly.

DragonFly 4.0.5 out


I’ve tagged version 4.0.5 of DragonFly, and it’s available at your nearest mirror.  This revision is mostly to incorporate the newest OpenSSL security bump.

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New OpenSSL so new point release


OpenSSL has yet another security update, and Sascha Wildner has added it to DragonFly.  It probably justifies a 4.0.5 release, so I’ll be working on that.

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New sshlockout option


As a side effect of the new ipfw3 import, the sshlockout script included with DragonFly now has -pf and -ipfw options.

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SSD and book recommendations


Some recent users threads pointed at SSD wear stats, along with what Matthew Dillon has seen on dragonflybsd.org machines, and good filesystem books.

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Extra world messages


Next time you’re building or installing world on your DragonFly system (running master), your computer will do a better job letting you know the status.

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HDMI sound trick


If you have a HDMI-connected monitor, but no sound, this trick about increasing available memory may help.

pfSense class results


Hey, look what I have! There’s a pfSense pair of classes available to take. I went through them and found them worthwhile. pfSense is easy enough to use that a dedicated person can puzzle through most of the settings, eventually, but I don’t have “eventually”, and I want to encourage BSD products in my workplace… so here we are.

IMG_20150309_155035

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DragonFly 4.0.4 out


DragonFly 4.0 has had a minor point release, to 4.0.4.  There was a bug in the initial install where the rescue image installed on disk would be incorrect.  This was fixed after the first time a build/installworld was done, but might as well have it start out right.  There’s some other small fixes, and the release commit will show you the summary.  Download from your nearest mirror or update normally.

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Sendmail removed, DMA added


John Marino has removed Sendmail from DragonFly (as part of the base system), and replaced it with DMA, the DragonFly Mail Agent.  If you just need delivery to local users, DMA will do the trick.

The announcement message covers what you need to do to deal with it (potentially nothing), and there’s more in-depth documentation to cover how to switch if you need more full-featured software.

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Tarsnap Mastery book out


Michael W. Lucas’s Tarsnap Mastery book is out, in electronic form.  While not a strictly BSD news items, it’s a service built on BSD, so worth looking at if you care about that – or about encryption.

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Did you upgrade DragonFly on the 25th?


If you are on DragonFly-master and you upgraded during select hours on the 25th of February, you may have been bit by a makefile error.  The fix, as listed in that link, is simple:

cp /usr/src/share/mk/sys.mk /usr/share/mk

If you are not on -master or you did not upgrade in that timeframe: never mind.

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DragonFly GUI resurrected


Michael Neumann has switched out pkgsrc packages for dports packages for building DragonFly with a GUI.  There’s no built image to download right now, but I’m optimistic the next release will have it.  You can build it now on a DragonFly system using src/nrelease.  With all this video work going in lately, it will give us something to show.

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Really turning off Sendmail


This bites many people sooner or later: you think you’ve turned sendmail off, but it still gets opened up on your system.  The answer: sendmail_enable=”NONE”.

(It should support sendmail_enable=”NOPE”.)

SSDs and disk wear


Several of the DragonFly machines used for building packages and/or releases have SSDs, and have been vigorously exercising those disks for some time.  SSDs are supposed to have a shorter lifetime than spindle-based hard drives.  However, Matthew Dillon found that there’s surprisingly little wear on those SSDs.  This empiric information was noticed in several places.

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New committer: Tomohiro Kusumi


Say hello to the newest DragonFly committer: Tomohiro Kusumi.  He’s been contributing Hammer patches for some time and appearing on IRC, so it’s easier to just let him make changes directly.  Welcome, Tomohiro.

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More gcc 5 details


It’s now possible to build world and kernel on DragonFly using gcc 5, and Matthew Dillon has posted an announcement that describes how.  He also separately lists the (small considering the included C++) effect on build time.

Note that gcc 4.7 remains the default compiler.

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GCC 5 Arrives


John Marino has removed gcc 4.4 in DragonFly, and replaced it with gcc 5.0.  Two things to note: gcc 5 does not yet successfully build world, and DragonFly is an officially supported platform for gcc with this release.

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DragonFly and Git


DragonFly is the only BSD, I think, to switch fully to Git for version control, and Matthew Dillon wrote up how DragonFly uses Git.

DragonFly catchup


Here’s a number of DragonFly links to clear out my backlog:

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DragonFly 4.0.3 images available


ISO/IMG files for DragonFly 4.0.3 have been uploaded and by now should be available on your favorite mirror.  You should update for the OpenSSL upgrade.  If you already have DragonFly 4.0.x installed, the normal ‘make buildworld && make buildkernel && make installkernel && make installworld && make upgrade’ cycle should work just fine.

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Slider, Hammer, and how to


John Marino has written up an extensive how-to for slider, the history tool for Hammer filesystems, including screenshots.

Glasgow OpenBSD presentation


Normally I’d hold this off until the In Other BSDs item on Saturday, but by then it will be too late: There’s a “Building redundant and transparent firewalls with OpenBSD” presentation happening at the Scottish Linux User’s Group meeting, Thursday night in Glasgow, Scotland.

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4.0.2 images up


I’m breaking my normal weekend posting schedule to note that DragonFly 4.0.2 images are now linked on the main site and on mirrors now/soon.

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DragonFly 4.0.2 released


DragonFly 4.0.2 has been tagged.  I’m building the release images now.  If you’re already running 4.0.1 it’ll be easy enough to upgrade to; you will want to catch up to this commit fixing a quiet memory issue.

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How, where, and why DragonFly


As part of another thread, Steve Petrie posted an in-depth description of how and where and why he’s using DragonFly.  Worth looking at either for workflow tips or for just seeing the use case.

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Virtual I/O performance


If you want to help I/O performance when DragonFly is virtualized, here’s a short checklist of what to work on.  I haven’t noticed any problems – but I’m not taxing any of my VMs that heavily.

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The Varialus page


This page, Varialus et Anisoptera, set up by… I’m not sure of the real name but it’s ‘varialus’ on IRC – has a detailed description of the DragonFly install process and installation of MATE, plus extra notes.  I always find these sorts of cheatsheets entertaining.

A rcrun(8) conversation


Robin Hahling wants feedback on where to go in DragonFly with rcrun(8), service(8), and similar commands.  Follow the thread to see the various opinions.

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LDAP and DragonFly


Predrag Punosevac posted his writeup of using LDAP and DragonFly, which I’m noting here for the next person that needs LDAP authentication.

Release followups


There’s an extended article about the DragonFly 4.0 release on linuxfr.org.  You need to be able to read French to enjoy it fully, or perhaps through translation, but it goes into some good depth.

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IPFW…3? work


A fellow whom I’ve only seen named as Bill is working on what he calls ipfw2, though technically what’s already in DragonFly is ipfw2, since it’s the second version of ipfw.  Either way, he has a project page up describing what he’s done so far, and what he plans.

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DragonFly 4.0.0RC3 images


If you look at your local DragonFly mirror, you’ll see ISO and IMG versions of DragonFly 4.0.0RC3.  Please run, break, and report.

(Check the iso-images directory.)

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No, wait, RC3


Matthew Dillon had some followup commits that went in just after I tagged RC2 of DragonFly 4.0 last night, so I’ve tagged RC3.  Tagging’s cheap, anyway.

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DragonFly 4.0 RC2 tagged


I just tagged a second release candidate of DragonFly 4.  Matthew Dillon’s recent reapctl() addtions – now called procctl() – just went in.

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DragonFly 4.0 status


The release candidate for DragonFly 4.0 came out last week, and normally the release would happen after a week.  There’s still a few people reporting an odd freeze, so until we can find a cause, we’ll continue to wait.

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More DragonFly as a desktop


If you can read French, or can translate, here’s an article covering the use of DragonFly as a desktop system.

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DragonFly 4.0.0-RC out


Your local mirror should have a copy of the release candidate for DragonFly 4.0.0 by now.  Please try it out and report problems.  Note that this is a x86_64 only version; there’s no i386 version though you may be able to manually build on i386.

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Clang support in DragonFly


It’s been possible to install and run clang on DragonFly for a long time, of course, and at least build world with it.  However, John Marino is putting in significant work to make clang one of the system compilers, replacing the older gcc44 that’s in DragonFly now.  (The newer gcc47 stays.)  This won’t be part of the next release, but it should be available soon after.

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For the next DragonFly release


I noted the last few things that should be committed before the DragonFly release.  People have spoken up for most of them, but it wouldn’t hurt to try recent -master with the upmap/kpmap work that recently went in.  Benchmarks wouldn’t be a bad idea, either.

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DragonFly as a desktop


There’s been so much work in DragonFly recently that makes a desktop easier (i915 support, dports, and so on), that I decided to resurrect an older Dell machine and use it as my desktop.

The Dell that I’m using is a leftover from someone else’s workplace; it’s 7 years old, and has “only” 4G of RAM and a Core 2 DuoE6600  CPU in it.  It works, however.

Setting up DragonFly and installing xorg and so on is pretty straightforward.  Using dports makes it crazy quick to add all the packages.  I went for XFCE4 because I could.  Starting X gave me some trouble at first; the default config couldn’t find the mouse and would eventually crash.

Running ‘X -configure’ created a xorg.conf file I could edit, and these lines in /etc/rc.conf gave me a working mouse:

moused_enable="YES"
moused_type="auto"
moused_port="/dev/ums0"

The crashing problem with my radeon-driven video card was fixed by turning off the acceleration – uncommenting this line in xorg.conf did it:

Option     "NoAccel"

Video performance isn’t as nice as I would like it with acceleration, but this is an older machine anyway.

I couldn’t get sound working. Francois Tigeot has a branch of DragonFly that contains newer sound drivers brought over from FreeBSD, here:

git://leaf.dragonflybsd.org/~ftigeot/dragonfly.git (pcm_2014_september branch.)

It doesn’t support device cloning, so I can run Youtube videos and XMMS, but not audio from both at the same time.  (for instance; not that you’d want to do this other than by accident)

I installed x11/webfonts, and web pages look a bit better after changing my default font preferences.

And… that’s about it.  It’s a working desktop.  Digging up a half-height video card that has working acceleration is a next step, but I can’t imagine that’ll be expensive.  I wish I had done this a long time ago.

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In Other Linuxes for 2014/09/13


I’m doing this little extra feature because I ran into several news items over the past week or so that made me say “what the hell?” out loud to my monitor.

Fedora To Get a New Partition Manager.  All?  Almost all? Linux distributions use gparted, which is open source and can be updated.  Why not add to that?  Also, it’s yet another preannouncement about how this new replacement tool will work – it’s not functional yet.

Text streams should be the fallback interface in Unix.  Every 2 or 3 years someone gets this idea in some form – somehow it doesn’t overcome 40+ years of text usage.

Revisiting How We Put Together Linux Systems.  Nobody can find fault with ideas like easier package management and signing.  (Though maybe having the same upgrade mechanism for base + 3rd party software isn’t a good idea)  However. this answer, coming from part of the group behind systemd, ties all software installation into having a btrfs volume – even requiring a virtual btrfs volume if there isn’t one installed.  Incompatible software versions are dealt with by turning /usr into a sort of container.  That kills any sort of need to interoperate with other software.  And of course it assumes there is no Unix but Linux.  (via)

Grump grump grump.

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DragonFly pf/altq/fairq users tip


If you are on DragonFly, using pf, using altq, and using fairq to control usage, there’s a latency bug that Matthew Dillon recently fixed.  He’s posted an announcement and committed fixes to master and 3.8, so it’s only an upgrade away.

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New kernel and new target


You should perform a full world and kernel install if on master.

Several people (including me) have been getting bit by a problem: when performing an installworld with a changed kernel, the vn kernel module is loaded, but it was built by the previous kernel and may cause problems when it doesn’t match up.

To fix that, vn is now built in, instead of being a separate module.  The rescue initrd (which is what is being mounted when it has this problem) is now installed via a ‘make rescue‘ command that can wait until a successful installworld and reboot.

Full kernel build for DragonFly


If you are tracking DragonFly master, your next kernel build should be full, not quick.

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DragonFly 3.8.2 images uploaded


It took me a little while, but DragonFly 3.8.2 images are uploaded now to the main site.  Check the 3.8.2 changelog if you didn’t before.  This is a recommended upgrade for the newer OpenSSL, and should otherwise have little impact on the programs you have installed.

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DragonFly 3.8.2 rolled


I’ve tagged DragonFly 3.8.2, which exists mostly to accommodate the latest release of OpenSSL.  (Security fixes, which should not be a surprise.)  I will build images as soon as I get a chance.

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Name your favorite DragonFly features


If you have a particular favorite thing in DragonFly, Damian Vincino would like to know about it.

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Rust ported to DragonFly


Rust has been ported to DragonFly by Michael Neumann.  His blog has implementation details, and you can pull from his repo to get a buildable version.  This may be useful, as he notes, for anyone wanting to build Rust on other BSDs.

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Semaphore test suite added


Thanks to Nicolas Thery, there’s a POSIX semaphore test suite on DragonFly, ported from FreeBSD.  Anyone want to integrate it into dfregress?

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SYSRET fixed even if not broken


There’s a recently talked about bug in SYSRET that apparently affects a lot of operating systems, including Linux and several BSDs.  It looks like DragonFly is not affected, but Matthew Dillon has put in changes just in case.

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Portable LibreSSL out


The portable (meaning ready to be brought into other operating systems) version of LibreSSL is out.

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pkg and conflicts


Some dports packages can’t be installed in combination with others.  The easy way to find the conflict without doing the install?  Look for CONFLICTS= in the Makefile.  If you don’t have the dports tree on disk, you can always look online.

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LDAP on DragonFly


If you’re looking to use LDAP on DragonFly, follow this thread (read the first, keep going) as people talk about implementing it, what they installed, etc.  I haven’t tried it myself, yet.

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