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		By: Joe "Floid" Kanowitz		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joe "Floid" Kanowitz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Mar 2013 22:18:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Home and &quot;soho&quot; - as y&#039;all sold me on a while ago, a HAMMER FS-level mirror is going to be much more useful than a RAID mirror in the event of a rogue &#039;dd&#039; or other act of nature or &#039;brillance.&#039;

A peculiarity of &quot;hardware&quot; is that it can also make actual monitoring of the physical disks&#039; SMART status problematic, even when just using an enterprisey SAS controller with optional RAID features to hook up a few SATA disks.  I&#039;m still years behind, so hopefully this has been fixed for my particular hardware, but your mileage may vary with some of the weirder &quot;make 2 _ a RAID volume!&quot; enclosure-type devices out there.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Home and &#8220;soho&#8221; &#8211; as y&#8217;all sold me on a while ago, a HAMMER FS-level mirror is going to be much more useful than a RAID mirror in the event of a rogue &#8216;dd&#8217; or other act of nature or &#8216;brillance.&#8217;</p>
<p>A peculiarity of &#8220;hardware&#8221; is that it can also make actual monitoring of the physical disks&#8217; SMART status problematic, even when just using an enterprisey SAS controller with optional RAID features to hook up a few SATA disks.  I&#8217;m still years behind, so hopefully this has been fixed for my particular hardware, but your mileage may vary with some of the weirder &#8220;make 2 _ a RAID volume!&#8221; enclosure-type devices out there.</p>
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		By: Samuel J. Greear		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Samuel J. Greear]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Mar 2013 06:05:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[coreyography, data cached with swapcache is ephemeral, it is not indexed other than in RAM and does not survive a reboot -- in some cases not even that long. If a machine panic&#039;s the cached data in swap may be overridden by a coredump.

What you point out... for a home user, replicating between disks...  that is what HAMMER excels at with its mirror-stream functionality.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>coreyography, data cached with swapcache is ephemeral, it is not indexed other than in RAM and does not survive a reboot &#8212; in some cases not even that long. If a machine panic&#8217;s the cached data in swap may be overridden by a coredump.</p>
<p>What you point out&#8230; for a home user, replicating between disks&#8230;  that is what HAMMER excels at with its mirror-stream functionality.</p>
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		By: coreyography		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Mar 2013 22:12:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve read that different controllers, and even revisions of the &quot;same model&quot; controller, from a single vendor do not share on-disk formats. Even if that isn&#039;t always true, it&#039;s not something I think one can count on.

As for swapcache, yes, I don&#039;t know if the cache contents survive a reboot. It&#039;s possible with an SSD of course, though there may be valid reasons for that not to happen. I was thinking about writes mainly, that had gone to cache but had not been completely committed to spinning disk before the power failed. Reads you don&#039;t care about, as that data is on the spinning disk already.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve read that different controllers, and even revisions of the &#8220;same model&#8221; controller, from a single vendor do not share on-disk formats. Even if that isn&#8217;t always true, it&#8217;s not something I think one can count on.</p>
<p>As for swapcache, yes, I don&#8217;t know if the cache contents survive a reboot. It&#8217;s possible with an SSD of course, though there may be valid reasons for that not to happen. I was thinking about writes mainly, that had gone to cache but had not been completely committed to spinning disk before the power failed. Reads you don&#8217;t care about, as that data is on the spinning disk already.</p>
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		By: Justin Sherrill		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Justin Sherrill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2013 13:51:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[coreography - I wonder if different products from the same manufacturer would be able to read disks?  I wouldn&#039;t pin my recovery plan on that working, of course, but it&#039;s possible.

I don&#039;t know if swapcache survives a reboot - even a normal one.  The data has to be read off disk at least once, to be cached in the first place.  If it does survive and the on-disk data locations haven&#039;t changed, I would think that it works normally.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>coreography &#8211; I wonder if different products from the same manufacturer would be able to read disks?  I wouldn&#8217;t pin my recovery plan on that working, of course, but it&#8217;s possible.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if swapcache survives a reboot &#8211; even a normal one.  The data has to be read off disk at least once, to be cached in the first place.  If it does survive and the on-disk data locations haven&#8217;t changed, I would think that it works normally.</p>
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		By: coreyography		</title>
		<link>https://www.dragonflydigest.com/2013/02/27/software-raid-options/comment-page-1/#comment-46467</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[coreyography]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2013 03:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hardware RAID is great, if you have the cash to buy two raid cards, and the time to buy two more and rebuild your RAID array when you can&#039;t find the ones you chose originally anymore on eBay.

The problem with hardware RAID is that the on-disk formats are generally proprietary, so you can&#039;t just take your RAID disks and stick them in another machine with a different controller if your original controller dies.

For enterprise-y environments, hardware RAID is still in many cases the best option. For home users, and Google, and Facebook, replicating the data across multiple disks and/or machines using standard hardware is often a better approach.

Out of curiosity, does swapcache reconstruct what it can onto the spinning disk when recovering from a power failure?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hardware RAID is great, if you have the cash to buy two raid cards, and the time to buy two more and rebuild your RAID array when you can&#8217;t find the ones you chose originally anymore on eBay.</p>
<p>The problem with hardware RAID is that the on-disk formats are generally proprietary, so you can&#8217;t just take your RAID disks and stick them in another machine with a different controller if your original controller dies.</p>
<p>For enterprise-y environments, hardware RAID is still in many cases the best option. For home users, and Google, and Facebook, replicating the data across multiple disks and/or machines using standard hardware is often a better approach.</p>
<p>Out of curiosity, does swapcache reconstruct what it can onto the spinning disk when recovering from a power failure?</p>
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