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		By: Joe "Floid" Kanowitz		</title>
		<link>https://www.dragonflydigest.com/2004/09/13/commercial-product-rename/comment-page-1/#comment-379</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joe "Floid" Kanowitz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Sep 2004 02:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve been sitting here thinking I should do something more constructive than adding to this thread...  But while I think that last one was an independent observation, I was referring solely to the commercial product if it wasn&#039;t completely clear.

(&quot;DragonFly BSD&quot; fits the &#039;BSD = licensing&#039; naming convention, so there&#039;s obviously no problem there.  .. and the counterargument in the commercial case is that the &#039;BSD&#039; appellation should be accepted as a non-trademarked equivalent of &#039;UNIX,&#039; but my observation is that people* are more likely to blindly assume the same implications to it as &#039;Linux.&#039;)

*Blah, well, &#039;people&#039; who aren&#039;t already in licensing with major &#039;UNIX&#039; vendors (Crescent Anchor &#039;competitors&#039;), thus taking them out of the early market for the product because they&#039;ve already paid for something that &#039;works&#039;...  Figure the target market is what&#039;s left after you subtract those who&#039;ll live with straight DFly and those already entrenched with something else, and the &quot;I want something like OS X &#039;cuz free OSes are hard but I&#039;m never ever not-ever nuh-uh gonna buy a Mac!&quot; crowd seems to be the largest (or just loudest?) demographic that leaves.  Until it runs on cellphones, anyway. ;)

[This is what spending time on Amiga fora does to you, kids.]
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been sitting here thinking I should do something more constructive than adding to this thread&#8230;  But while I think that last one was an independent observation, I was referring solely to the commercial product if it wasn&#8217;t completely clear.</p>
<p>(&#8220;DragonFly BSD&#8221; fits the &#8216;BSD = licensing&#8217; naming convention, so there&#8217;s obviously no problem there.  .. and the counterargument in the commercial case is that the &#8216;BSD&#8217; appellation should be accepted as a non-trademarked equivalent of &#8216;UNIX,&#8217; but my observation is that people* are more likely to blindly assume the same implications to it as &#8216;Linux.&#8217;)</p>
<p>*Blah, well, &#8216;people&#8217; who aren&#8217;t already in licensing with major &#8216;UNIX&#8217; vendors (Crescent Anchor &#8216;competitors&#8217;), thus taking them out of the early market for the product because they&#8217;ve already paid for something that &#8216;works&#8217;&#8230;  Figure the target market is what&#8217;s left after you subtract those who&#8217;ll live with straight DFly and those already entrenched with something else, and the &#8220;I want something like OS X &#8216;cuz free OSes are hard but I&#8217;m never ever not-ever nuh-uh gonna buy a Mac!&#8221; crowd seems to be the largest (or just loudest?) demographic that leaves.  Until it runs on cellphones, anyway. ;)</p>
<p>[This is what spending time on Amiga fora does to you, kids.]</p>
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		By: Justin C. Sherrill		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Justin C. Sherrill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Sep 2004 13:28:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I recall Matthew Dillon saying that this operating system was to be called &quot;DragonFly&quot;, and &quot;DragonFlyBSD&quot; was just for when it was needed to make it clear what it was - say, at a technical conference where people know the meaning of the BSD acronym.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recall Matthew Dillon saying that this operating system was to be called &#8220;DragonFly&#8221;, and &#8220;DragonFlyBSD&#8221; was just for when it was needed to make it clear what it was &#8211; say, at a technical conference where people know the meaning of the BSD acronym.</p>
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		By: Lazarus		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Sep 2004 21:47:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I can&#039;t say that I agree with your idea to drop the &quot;BSD&quot; from the name (not that I would care one way or the other) but you tend to post really interesting things, and I think that you should do so more often, if for no other reason than to give people something to think about :-)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t say that I agree with your idea to drop the &#8220;BSD&#8221; from the name (not that I would care one way or the other) but you tend to post really interesting things, and I think that you should do so more often, if for no other reason than to give people something to think about :-)</p>
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		By: Joe "Floid" Kanowitz		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joe "Floid" Kanowitz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Sep 2004 05:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Congratulations! ... To the extent that I&#039;m sure I wasn&#039;t the *only* one thinking this would be a perfect name for a DF distro.

Now, as free marketing advice, and since the new name harks back to DF derivation anyway, I&#039;d suggest (gasp!) dropping the &#039;BSD&#039; from the product title.

Whaaat?  Um, hear me out.  There are &#039;only two kinds of people in the world,&#039; those with a clue and those without.  The people without a clue (who are, in theory, the ones most likely to be paying for shrinkwrap... as opposed, at least, to pirating shrinkwrap) really only care if a given feature or package works &#039;on [product].&#039;  The people who do have a clue will easily determine what&#039;s up without the proverbial extra three syllables.

OS X is, of course, the prime example; while there&#039;s no chance they ever would&#039;ve called it &quot;MacBSD,&quot; we can all imagine the complaints about FreeBSD.org i386/packages/gimp-2.0.4,1.tgz not working if they had.  &quot;But it&#039;s all BSD?&quot;

That&#039;s the thing; those three letters, while not intrinsically meaningless, have lost much technical bearing.  They&#039;ve never guaranteed -- or really been intended to guarantee -- even the theoretical compatibility &quot;Linux&quot; tends to fail to produce for the kids in practice.  It&#039;s a nice show of respect and tribute, but one that can live &#039;buried&#039; in the marketing material, while &#039;forcing&#039; a more sensible division of responsibility for it.

Not to mention that the only thing &quot;BSD&quot; at the *end* of the official name of a project signifies now is that sources will be available under a BSD-style license...  So while it&#039;s a free world,  if the intention is to take advantage of same and eventually roll in some proprietary or binary-only differentiation, realize that even that weak vestige of convention would will break.

...

Considering the ridiculous amount of demand for &quot;OS X for x86,&quot; and the vacuum as comes to &quot;OS&quot; vendors willing to take full ownership of the support task*...  I doubt it&#039;d do any /injury/ to take that attitude.  [To the extent that, y&#039;know, something like AtheOS would already have that penetration if it could run OpenOffice and Firefox, and Linspiredows has already made a halfway decent showing whilst telling people they only have &#039;eTypewriter&#039; and &#039;WarmStoat&#039; for applications, and it&#039;ll cost money to download each.]


*&#039;Course, it&#039;s been more complex than that, as every Linux vendor has been hoping to ride on strength in numbers... but they have that single-ABI/LSB dream to ride on, and DF features/*ulators or not, it&#039;d be a bit dangerous to make a *promise* of full-spectrum compatibility at this point, right?  Not that I think anyone&#039;s *said* that on the FireFly/Silver front, just to point out that it misderives naturally as people struggle to ascribe logic to &#039;brands.&#039;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congratulations! &#8230; To the extent that I&#8217;m sure I wasn&#8217;t the *only* one thinking this would be a perfect name for a DF distro.</p>
<p>Now, as free marketing advice, and since the new name harks back to DF derivation anyway, I&#8217;d suggest (gasp!) dropping the &#8216;BSD&#8217; from the product title.</p>
<p>Whaaat?  Um, hear me out.  There are &#8216;only two kinds of people in the world,&#8217; those with a clue and those without.  The people without a clue (who are, in theory, the ones most likely to be paying for shrinkwrap&#8230; as opposed, at least, to pirating shrinkwrap) really only care if a given feature or package works &#8216;on [product].&#8217;  The people who do have a clue will easily determine what&#8217;s up without the proverbial extra three syllables.</p>
<p>OS X is, of course, the prime example; while there&#8217;s no chance they ever would&#8217;ve called it &#8220;MacBSD,&#8221; we can all imagine the complaints about FreeBSD.org i386/packages/gimp-2.0.4,1.tgz not working if they had.  &#8220;But it&#8217;s all BSD?&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the thing; those three letters, while not intrinsically meaningless, have lost much technical bearing.  They&#8217;ve never guaranteed &#8212; or really been intended to guarantee &#8212; even the theoretical compatibility &#8220;Linux&#8221; tends to fail to produce for the kids in practice.  It&#8217;s a nice show of respect and tribute, but one that can live &#8216;buried&#8217; in the marketing material, while &#8216;forcing&#8217; a more sensible division of responsibility for it.</p>
<p>Not to mention that the only thing &#8220;BSD&#8221; at the *end* of the official name of a project signifies now is that sources will be available under a BSD-style license&#8230;  So while it&#8217;s a free world,  if the intention is to take advantage of same and eventually roll in some proprietary or binary-only differentiation, realize that even that weak vestige of convention would will break.</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p>Considering the ridiculous amount of demand for &#8220;OS X for x86,&#8221; and the vacuum as comes to &#8220;OS&#8221; vendors willing to take full ownership of the support task*&#8230;  I doubt it&#8217;d do any /injury/ to take that attitude.  [To the extent that, y&#8217;know, something like AtheOS would already have that penetration if it could run OpenOffice and Firefox, and Linspiredows has already made a halfway decent showing whilst telling people they only have &#8216;eTypewriter&#8217; and &#8216;WarmStoat&#8217; for applications, and it&#8217;ll cost money to download each.]</p>
<p>*&#8217;Course, it&#8217;s been more complex than that, as every Linux vendor has been hoping to ride on strength in numbers&#8230; but they have that single-ABI/LSB dream to ride on, and DF features/*ulators or not, it&#8217;d be a bit dangerous to make a *promise* of full-spectrum compatibility at this point, right?  Not that I think anyone&#8217;s *said* that on the FireFly/Silver front, just to point out that it misderives naturally as people struggle to ascribe logic to &#8216;brands.&#8217;</p>
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